But Yahya said the election of Maruf as vice-president (he will be sworn in on October 21) meant the cleric could “lend his theological authority as an ulema, as a scholar, to put the red line [through] radicalism, and then to develop a decisive policy based upon that with real theological authority.
We know what we want, which is to contain the threat of radicalism.
Muslim leader Yahya Cholil Staquf
“Then people cannot accuse the government of moving against Islam, because it is [in] the government.
“Secondly, with Kyai [cleric] Maruf, I would hope that Indonesia can engage in a more decisive international effort to find solutions for the problems of Islam with more confidence – not just following in the steps of those Middle Eastern forces but more confidently speaking out about our own position, about what we think is better.”
“From NU’s perspective we know what we want, which is to contain the threat of radicalism.”
Indonesian police agencies are already working to tackle violent extremism, and they run deradicalisation programs and cooperate closely with countries like Australia.
But Yahya said more work needed to be done to tackle both violent and non-violent extremism in Indonesia.
“You can see this movement, non-violent extremism, tends to be growing bigger here in Indonesia. If you have more of this then you have more fertile ground for violent extremism.”
The decision to allow Aceh to introduce sharia as state law was a “great mistake”, he said, because it meant the province had begun introducing local laws that conflicted with national laws.
“It is wrong to let them have their own laws against [that conflict with] national laws. This is constitutionally wrong,” he said.
Aceh is the only Indonesian province with sharia law. In the past year it has debated the introduction of laws that would allow a man to have up to four wives. A district in the province has banned men and women from dining together unless a relative of the woman is present, and it regularly flogs people for a range of crimes – including being gay – even though homosexuality is not illegal in Indonesia.
Indonesia is the world’s largest Muslim democracy and the state’s guiding philosophy, Pancasila (five principles) enshrines religion, civilised humanity, social justice, democracy, and national unity in the preamble to the constitution.
Human Rights Watch Indonesia researcher Andreas Harsono said Yahya and Maruf were at “opposite ends” of NU and it was reasonable to characterise Maruf as a proponent of more conservative Islamic practice. But both men would agree on the need to tackle extremism.
Harsono said that “sadly” Maruf’s was a “doer” and that meant the cleric would involve himself in choosing ministers, appointing chief executives of state-owned companies and more.
“A good politician has to be able to combine perspectives – human rights, the economy, politics, diplomacy – to balance concerns. Maruf is someone whose knowledge is strictly limited to the Islamic interpretation of the world.”
In recent years, conservative Islamic groups have played a more assertive role in the country’s politics, strongly backing defeated presidential candidate Prabowo Subianto in 2019. The groups also led huge protests against the Christian, ethnically Chinese former governor of Jakarta Basuki “Ahok” Purnama, who was jailed for two years in 2017 for insulting Islam.
Maruf, in his role as a cleric, testified against Ahok at his trial – something he later expressed regret for. In 2012, Maruf suggested Muslims should not wish people “Merry Christmas”. But on the campaign trail in 2018, video of him wishing people “Merry Christmas” emerged.
James Massola is south-east Asia correspondent based in Jakarta. He was previously chief political correspondent, based in Canberra. He has been a Walkley and Quills finalist on three occasions, won a Kennedy Award for outstanding foreign correspondent and is the author of The Great Cave Rescue.